Meeting Minutes
Friday, June 11, 2004
Volume 11; Issue 21

 

Table of Contents


Committee Reports

Membership Report
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No report.

Social Report
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There is still time to sign up for the Diamonbacks game.  It will be on Tuesday, August 3rd.  We need 30 people signed up to get the group discount of $15 per ticket. 

Speaker Coordinator Report
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  • 06/18/04     Panel Discussion Continued "Positive Solutions for Changing Times"
  • 06/25/04     Randy Clark
  • 07/02/04     No Meeting
  • 07/09/04     Amy Ahrensdorf
  • 07/16/04     Panel Discussion "Franchises"
  • 07/23/04    
  • 07/30/04     Keith Miller (Tentative)

We have open speaker slots.  Please contact Wayne Unruh to get on the schedule.

Treasurer Report

The 3rd quarter dues have gone out in the mail and the money is now rolling in. 


Leads Report

39-24, 37-02 (x2), 28-17, 24-37, 07-17, 07-28, 07-02, 06-34 (x2), 38-42, 38-06, 22-42, 35-13, 03-19, 03-34, 19-26, 19-42.


Notable Mentions

Sandro Menasci called in an issue for open discussion.  Think about the following and be ready to discuss it at the next meeting...Identity theft is big problem these day.  What steps have you taken to protect yourself and your business.

The new buddy lunch list will be out at the beginning of July.

MABE Testimony...Jana Greene commented on the great benefit of having Roman Okonowski as her insurance agent.  He is always there on a moments notice when her mortgage company decides they need another certificate of insurance listing them as additional insured and they need it yesterday.


Mighty Minute

None.


Question of the Day

How are the privacy acts affecting you and your business?

On January 1, 2005 the "Do Not Fax" law goes into affect.  Roman Okonowski does a tremendous amount of business via fax.  Now, prior to this date,  he has to have written authorization from each customer before he can fax them anything that may be considered a solicitation of business.  He cannot fax them this authorization form after the fact or he will be in violation.  This law is very restrictive and can create lots of problems.

Roman also pointed out that he will not initiate a call to a potential client, even a lead from MABE.  The "Do Not Call" laws are also very restrictive.  He will wait for them to call him first.

Jean Batt gave us an example of how these "Do Not" laws affect her business.  These laws create road blocks to how we normally run business.  We have shot ourselves in the foot with some of this legislation coming out.

Andy Jensen can't even answer a simple question via email.  He can only refer the client to the prospectus.

Roman likened it to insurance where there are so many gray areas.  The insurance companies are refusing to interpret them unless a claim has been filed.  And if you do get some sort of answer, don't expect it in writing...they won't do it!

Lisa Schnaidt has similar problems dealing with insurance companies.  With the new privacy laws, they won't tell her what is covered under her client's policy.  She has to put the client on the phone and guide them through questions to ask because the insurance company will only speak to them.  It has turned a simple 5-minute call into a lengthy ordeal.

Email has not been addressed yet but Ralph Cunningham says it is coming.


Main Speaker 

Dave Crissman
Your
ECO Water Dealer

Dave Crissman started his business back in 1973.  He began as a plumber and a student at Phoenix College.   Anything that water ran through, he would take care of.  In 1979 he got his plumbers contractors license.  He changed the focus of his company to drinking water systems.  He does very little commercial work.  He doesn't even hold his commercial license anymore. 

He recently began reading the E-Myth Revisited.  Bob Busch told him that there was a lot of "him" in the book.  Dave is an analyzer.  As a MABE member, you get a lot to think about if you attend regularly and participate.

Dave learned to be a businessman with a simple method of tracking his success.  If the money in his income shoebox is more than the bills in the expenses shoebox he is doing good.

Dave had to learn to become an adequate salesperson.  But even more difficult was learning to become an employer.  You will never hold on to employees.  But with 50-60% of his employees having a long tenure with his company, he is doing pretty good.  You have be good.  Otherwise, you spend all your time managing and less time focusing on the customer.

He is an entrepreneur.   People like him can never work for somebody else because they always think they are smarter than the person they work for.  Dave brags that he only worked half days.  Half being only 12 hours!  He learned not to drink.  Even though being an entrepreneur can oftentimes drive one to drink.

Up until 1994 Dave was a workaholic.  He worked for the sake of working.  He had no business plan or roadmap.  But one can never build a business with that thought process.  He also thought that if he left the business for a week it would fall apart.  He had a weak company when he thought he nobody could do it better than him.

Then he went through a period where he didn't want to work.  By the end of that year he realized that when he wasn't there, others were able to carry the load.  There are still times when he will get pulled back into being a salesman or a service manager, but he has found that his staff are more than capable of handling things, sometimes better than he is.  Instead of being the person to complain to, he has become the teacher.

Dave's greatest love is plumbing.  He loves to go into houses and fix things.  He likes the interaction with the clients.  He gets a big kick out of clients calling in and saying they "don't want that guy again", not knowing he is the owner.  This also taught him a great lesson.  When customers complain, they often overstate or misstate the events. 

After playing businessman, Dave went into his next phase of working on his business.  He attended seminars which can be very dangerous.  They pump you up for 2 hours but then when you get back to the real world you realize there is more to it.   As mentioned earlier, he is also reading the E-Myth Revisited. It is a funny book that is easy to read.  You already know most of the stuff in it but you never pay attention to it.

Dave has diagnosed himself with attention deficit disorder.  He can only concentrate on one thing at a time.  But he will do that one thing extremely well.  If you have a lead for him, don't mention it during the meeting and think he will remember...he won't.  Call the office. 

The office staff will take care of you.  Many of the people in his people have been cross-trained so they have a better understanding of the different segments of the business.  It takes time and is expensive but then you have a core group you can depend on.

Dave also took over the sales and marketing side of the business.  The person he had managing things did not work out.  He had a different style that many customers complained about.  People in this group have even told Dave that they used his service in spite of this person.  Dave put off the change for a long time.  He knew he would have to take over that role if he let this person go.  But it finally had to be done. 

This change was hard for Dave.  It is a very different side of the business.  He had to read a lot and get advice from a lot of people.  But then he had a revelation.  He didn't run his other business segments the way competitors do so why should this part of the business be any different. 

He decided that run the marketing department and have the sales department answer to marketing.  Someday he will hire a CFO-type to take over his role.  In the meantime, he is becoming pretty good at marketing.  His former employee did 90% telemarketing.  But even before the "No Call List" came about, Dave decided not to do this anymore.  Instead he has gone back to the door-to-door style of marketing.  Customers respond better.  They like seeing the truck and meeting the person face-to-face.  He has employees that like doing this and they do it well.  The referral card they use has also had great response.

Dave decided to include a 15% profit margin right into overhead.   He doesn't hide his financials from his employees anymore.  They are motivated by it.  This year is turning out to be there best year yet. 




Dave Crissman
20+ year member

Member since November 1993


PLUMBING & WATER SYSTEMS

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