Meeting Minutes:
Friday, January 20, 2006
Volume 13; Issue 3

 

Table of Contents


Committee Reports

Membership Report
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Richard Higgs, owner of Aquila Family and Cosmetic Dentistry visited our group today.  Part 1 of his membership application was submitted last week.  His practice is located at Price & Queen Creek.  He has been a dentist for 13 years.  He has a passion about his practice and his specific focus is on cosmetics.  We will post part 2 of the application as soon as it is submitted.

Social Report
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None.

Speaker Coordinator Report
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Main Speaker

  • 01/27/06     Guest Speaker to discuss Identity Theft
  • 02/03/06     Wayne Unruh

We need spotlights!  Take 5 minutes to promote your business!

Treasurer Report

None.


Leads Report

None.

This week's leads focus...

  • P,P
  • Sawyer, Guy
  • Schindler, Stuart

Notable Mentions

Board elections will be held in February.  Two positions are opening up.  If you have never been on the board or you haven't been involved for a while, consider joining. 

February 3 & 10 - Nominations

February 17 - Speeches

February 24 - Elections


Business Spotlight 

None.


Main Speaker 

Dave Crissman
Eco Water

Dave Crissman has been in the water business a long time.  He has been a plumber since 1972 and in water treatment since 1974.  The driving force behind his career choice was the simple fact that he just knew he didn't want to work for somebody else.  Of course, the next consideration is "How do you make money?".   The cycle of starting a business begins.  Dave bought an existing water treatment business.  It was in bad shape.  But Dave was able to clean things up and sell it for a small profit.  This was in 1984.  He was in his mid-30's and too young to retire. 

Dave took a year off.  He thought about trying a new business but decided to get back into what he knew best...water.  In 1990 he bought Eco Water.  He started from zero with no money and built the business up.  In 1993 he decided to grow aggressively.  It was a risk.  He had to borrow a significant amount of money at high interest rates to do it.  But it was a risk he was willing to take. 

One flaw that many of us live under is the idea that if you want the job done right you have to do it yourself.  Dave's philosophy on this changed in 1994.  This is when he learned that if you really want the job done right, you need to teach someone else to do it.  It was during the 94-98 period that Dave realized his business had become stagnate.  A change was needed and he had only one rule...Whatever he did, it had to be fun.  He had loyal personnel but not all were willing to grow and change with him. 

He was faced with the need to change but how was he going to do it?  It took the entire 1998-2000 period to answer this question.  People were dependent on him for their income.  But a change was necessary.  He decided that only 4 of the 20 people counting on him were capable of change.  The others had to go.

Dave also came to realize that he was better off with rookies that he could train to do things the "new" way.  Dave was not a sales manager but he became one.  He taught each of his rookies to do the job, made them believe they could do it and then he got out of their way.

During this whole process, Dave used things that he learned from MABE to guide him.  Many of the members of MABE have gone through transitions in their businesses for one reason or another.  And the type of transition was dependent on many factors.  He called on a few to discuss their experiences.

Reg Batt: Reg was involved in a bike accident a few years ago.  He was hit by a car and could not work.  But the positive side of this is that he learned he could count on his staff to run things for him.  They were well trained and able to handle to task.

Stuart Schindler:  Stu went the opposite direction of Dave.  Whereas Dave did not want to be a Mom & Pop-type shop, Stu was eager to get rid of his staff and do it himself.  He had enough of the 10-year roller coaster ride that they put him on.  He couldn't find bad help let alone good help that was needed.  Stu was a babysitter and the babies were the ones that got paid!  His profit and loss model was looking disastrous.  Keeping up with technology was an expensive nightmare and the hazardous chemicals he was exposed to just added to the problems.

It is always the smart move to not let your ego get in the way of your happiness.  Be willing to change and/or try new things.  At the time I made the decision to downsize I was downright scared as to how it would all turn out.  The same kind of scared as when I first decided to go into business for myself and open the business.

It did work out.  For the past 8 years since the change, Stu has been happier, healthier and he has zero debt!

Chris Curran: Chris is still in the process of changing.  He started a title insurance company at the suggestion of another lawyer.  He was told it would be simple to start and do and would be easy profit.  Chris was in the midst of partner break-up at the time.  But he decided to walk up to the edge of the cliff, close his eyes and jump.  THUD!  Chris soon learned that the simple start was at a price.  The escrow license he needed cost more money to obtain then he had.  The other lawyer joined Chris's practice while they worked at getting the title agency up and running.  But Chris ended up carrying him.  It just wasn't working out.  Chris ended the newest partnership and joined with a more reliable partner in the title company only. 

Why start a title business?  It was a means to make money so Chris could practice law the way he wanted and take only the clients that he wanted.  He has become quite cynical about law.  What you end up arguing about rarely has anything to do with the issues of the lawsuit.  His views have changed since his sister got sick and he had kids.  Chris just doesn't have a taste for it anymore.

Robert Busch:  Bob's big change involved a move to a new location.  He had been doing the same thing in the same location for 26 years.  The first 10 years of business saw dramatic growth.  But then suddenly they stopped growing.  It wasn't only due to competition from others in his industry.  It was competition from all retailers in general.  He and his wife were in a comfort zone.  But he had to do something if he was going to be able to sell his business and retire.   They need to change locations.  They had great credit but no money.  They signed a huge note at the bank to cover the cost of relocating.  They had a beautiful new store.  Their first month there was the worst month of his life.  Business was 50% less than their worst business month ever.  But things kicked in and March was one of his best months ever.  He is glad he made the move.  It was scary and it forced him to do things differently including more marketing.  But MABE helped him through it.  One of the best things he has ever done was join MABE.  "If you want to get somewhere you can't sit stagnate." 

Greg Stewart:  Greg has constantly had to reinvent himself as a business owner. There is risk in every business.  There are no guarantees of a weekly paycheck unless you do good work.  Employees count on you for their regular income.  The cost of technology can reposition you.  People and geography can reposition you.  Expanding from 1 store to 2 was not a major undertaking.  His existing staff could handle the work load and it actually filled in dead space.  The 3rd store was different.  Greg had a large territory.  That territory would have been threatened if he didn't open store #3.  If he didn't, somebody else would have and they would have pulled customers away from Greg's other 2 stores.  He knew staffing would now be a problem and he and Pat could only cover 2 stores.  They finally made the decision to sell their original store.  They kept the best locations based on demographics.

Dave Lathrop:  Dave is in a career he never expected to be in.  He went to school to be an engineer.  But events took place that put him into the automotive industry.  He ended up in Arizona in a successful position as service manager for Nissan.  He made a lot of money but this made him feel handcuffed in a career he didn't want.  He decided to start a business where there was no business.  About 1½ years into this transition he went through an unexpected divorce.  Life was changing.  He had worked since he was 16 years old.  He felt he missed out on a lot of things.  At 37 he decided it was time to do the things he missed out on.  He sold everything he had and rented a room from a friend.  He had no expenses.  He started doing karate, improv and community service.   He was very close to moving back to Pennsylvania.  But then he got reestablished into the community.  He became a part of the Phoenix Youth at Risk program.  He found that he was really good at it and that there was a demand for his skills.  He is getting his degree in conjunction with this work.  He now has a few income streams based on what he enjoys doing rather than being based on debt and what he had to do.

Sandro Menasci:  Sandro equates business to sports.  People like Stu play defense while many of the others have played offense.  You have to be ready for the counter attack, the breakaway.  Business for Sandro has come full circle.  He started with a repair shop at a facility where another company offered gas which brought customers in.  He eventually offered both.  But he has been forced to change again.  Four years ago he got a descent lease due to the construction.  This lease was up in June and they wanted to increase his rent 80%!  Sandro evaluated the cost and revenue of each profit center.  He determined that he couldn't accept this increase to keep the location.  Opportunity knocked.  Another location came available just down the road.  Close enough to keep the same clientele.  He also had the money available from his lawsuit to make the purchase along with a "used car loan" from the bank.  The tax benefits of buying the business to offset the gains from the lawsuit were an added bonus.

Gary Nelson:  It is, as Gary puts it, equal parts laziness, misplaced loyalty and fear that kept him in the same location for all those years.  It almost killed them.  They moved to a better location.  They also partnered with Arizona Fireplace - both having their own niche in the market that complimented the other.  Gary is more commercial and AF is better with retail.  Gary is also expanding into prefabs.  Gary is getting older.  He wants to work fewer hours with less stress.  He is now looking at structuring a franchise to accomplish his goals.  Everybody wants to sell equipment but nobody wants to service it.  He is looking at this niche as the answer.




Dave Crissman
20+ year member

Member since November 1993


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